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As you read the postings of your classmates, consider how you might add to the discussion. You could ask probing questions, offer examples, share a different perspective, seek clarification, add your own insights based on your experiences from outside this course, etc. Avoid brief comments like, "I agree with Helen." Your goal is to add to the discussion so that further understanding develops. I expect from each participant at least two postings in response to other student answers (this is in addition to posting your answer to the DQs).
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I think that this article is way true. Women that work in psychological fields, or any field that is usually overun by men, never receive credit for their hard work, and most of the time, they aren't even accepted to go to colleges to study in the field. Now that we have crossed over these barriers, women have been further accepted, however, not fully. I think it is unfair that women have to be treated like this when their career is their passion, something they are good at and it is a shame they can't study it.
This article demonstrates just how prejudice our world is, against women along with others. In the 1800s women were barely even given a change because of their gender. It is very possible that if women were more accepted back then, there would have been way more discoveries in psychology along with other professions. When I read about Christine Ladd-Franklin not receiving a Ph.D. until over 40 years after she could have received it,I couldn't really understand why because she had all of the requirements and degrees, yet she was still denied. Today women are more accepted, however, not fully, seeing as men still, some of the time, receive a higher salary for the same job women do.
The article shows how women were treated back in the early time to the present time. Though women made contributions to the psychological world, many were not recognized by the men of psychology. They [women]were well capable of the degree or careers they strived for, but they still were denied of that opportunity because of their gender. I feel that it is unjustified, that through all the hard work women put to their studies and achievements, they were still neglected by the colleges and universities because they felt that women did not equal in intelligence as men did. "Today women receive over half of the Ph.D's granted in psychology." They are given the voice to change the aspect of society.
[continuing.. forgot to mention how it may of affected the early field of Psychology]
I guess if women were given the chance to present their knowledge back in the 1800, there would be a breakthrough of discoveries.
I agree with Amy, that if more women were accepted back then, many more professions in psychology would be open. Not just as a broad topic of psychology, but more in depth of a specific part of the mind.
The article made showed me, once again the amount of prejudice this country had even though it was founded on the values of equality and a better future for its citizens. It is sad to see that universities and colleges did not grant degrees because of someones gender. I believe no one can pre-judge anyone else for any reason, may it be race, sex, religion, etc. Mary Calkins was considered one of the brightest students yet Harvard out of all colleges did not grant her her doctorate degree she properly earned. It is sad today to still hear that this prejudice is still going on in this workfield, even though it has been to a lesser extent. [Written by Tyler Petcher]
I agree with Amy that with these women being accepted and given a chance, there might have been more discoveries in the psychology field. Although, with not allowing the women to earn their degrees it gave them motivation to work harder than they ever had before and that's why many discoveries were probably found. [Written by Tyler Petcher]
I think that this article was truer back in the day, but it also occurs in today's society. From what I have read, it seems very unfair that women are getting treated differently than men in the psychology field. Both women and men should be rewarded equally because one sex is not doing more work than the other. I could see why men would have a higher salary or have more benefits if they were going to school longer. The fact is that they are not doing any thing other than women do to get their psychology degrees. In the paper, I got to see how wonderful women were even acknowledged by men on their achievements. If some men can even see that women are equally important, why can't the government?
Eddie Khav, I agree with what you said completely. I also loved that you looked up an actual fact to put in your comment. The intelligent comment you made, made me wonder what would have been different today if women were not denied in the past. I think that if in the earlier years, women were given the same chances as men, there would be even more discoveries today. Our society needs to start having an open mind.
caitlin, you make a great point. it is completely unfair that women are still not fully accepted. Women can be just at good as men, or even better, at something and should be given proper credit for it. Through out the years, men have taken credit for something women have done first, and that is just not cool. Hopefully in the future, we will be more accted towards even more than our country is now
This greatly affected the feild of psychology in more than one way. It truely shows how much better men have thought of themselves. Even when a man states that a women is the best in his class, she is still denied her docterate.
This push between men and women has been occuring all throughout our history. Some men still believe that women should stay at home and take care of there kids. This idea is definatly wrong in this day and age, women are strong minded and push to excel.
This case of sexual prejudice is and was wrong. One thing you have to remember though, is that this was par for the time. Women were not looked at as smart, well drivin individuals, they were looked at as the one who stayed home cooked, and cleaned.
I agree with Natalia, that it makes no sense that the men and women are going through the same amount of school but the men are still making more money.
That baffles me. Even when the women have more schooling they still make less than the men it seems like.
I agree with Caitlin too. It makes no sense that women still have not been completly accepted. I believe they should be, and that women make great contributions to society and to the feild of psychology.
While I do agree with Natalia, women are still treated like this today, which is sad considering we are in the most technological time ever in society. How can we let this happen? Not only are women treated with prejudice in the work environment today, but so are many other races. [Written by Tyler Petcher]
People today are divided in every way possible. People are divided by race, religion, age, gender, and anything else possible. The question I have, though, is why? What makes women not as worthy of psychology majors as men? Clearly, women have made huge contributions to psychology. Today, over half of Ph.D.'s are granted to women. Also, some of the most important leads in psychology came from women. For instance, Christine Ladd-Franklin developed a theory for color vision, and Margaret Floy Washburn taught psychology for 34 years. So, even though numerous women psychologists studied many things and came up with great ideas, men still make more money, and men are the ones most likely to receive financial support. Men also are more likely to get full time employment too. Why is that? Why did it take a man to allow Ladd-Franklin to graduate? Who decided men were so high and mighty? Because of men at one time not allowing women to give their ideas in psychology, some important information might have been missed, which is really unfortunate to us, today.
While I mostly agree with Natalia, I think that it's still very true today that women are treated extremely different than men. The main difference from today and back then is that people aren't so blatantly obvious about their prejudices. I completely agree with Natalia in the fact that, if some men can see that women are treated unfairly, why can't the goverment? Another thought is does the government know it? Do they just not care to acknowledge it?
I think this article shows just how far we've come as a society and how much farther we have left to go. Back in the 1800's women were dismissed as ignorant and some people still think so today. Which a lot of the times isn't true at all. All the years men were ignoring women and denying them things like educations or Ph.D.'s or the same salary we could have been learning from them. So we've come a long way in the aspect that more and more women have recieved degrees and aren't denied because of their gender, as much anyway. To many people are still stuck on the words all MEN are created equal. Women are just as equal and possibly more capable.
I agree with Natalia. One group is not doing more work than the other so why should one earn more. If a man and woman have the same grades in high school same test scores go to the same university and get the same grades there, then there benefits and salary should also be equal. Thats truely equal and thats the way things should be done. But its not, like she said some men are still to blind to see that women can do the same work as men even though some men can see it clearly.
I also agree with jazmyn's second post about the government being predjudice but being to stuck up to admit it. People in our society deny their prejudice in public but they know that when they get home it doesn't matter because whats said behind close doors often isn't heard outside of them. She's also right about the discrestion factor, back then people were much more open about what they said and thought because it was common to be open with that and it was also accepted.
I agree with Tyler, most women were only considered as just the wives that would stay home and take care of the children and the house. Of course we all know that women are just more than that; that they have opinions and are capable to contribute to the field of science.
Especially in the studies of psychology, where it is not based upon just one gender or one group of people. We need to hear the side of what women see in themselves [how they think, react, behave, etc.] as well as what they see in men.
I agree with Dylan. We have come so far as a society, yet after all of the progress, we still have not evolved enough to where prejudice isn't a problem. Today, women are considered to be equal to men, however, there are still certain people in the world refusing to accept that.
After reading this artical, I agree with every word. Most women in psychology are not repremended for their work at all. Calkins, Ladd-Franklin, and Washburn were very persistant in their careers, and have proved that women are just as smart as men. Although in the end of the artical, I think it is wrong because women do not get paid as much as men, and are not employed as fairly as men. Hopefully that will change soon.
Women in the late 1800's struggled with unfair sexism, but despite these barriers many still joined associations, and wrote professional journals. Though many of the contributions were unnoticed by their male peers, some important ones were acknowledged. The science community awarded only a few women for their contributions to the psychological expertise. Even with these awards, prejudice played a bigger role. The three women, that were considered to be in the top 1,000 scientist had a much more difficult time finding jobs, and getting into graduate school. Today, we do recognize these women for their work in psychology. But equality still doesn't exist completely. Males are more likely to receive better financial benefits for school, and in the career workforce. Though it will never be equal for either gender, we need to see that both women and men play a equal role in the field of psychology.
I agree with amy on everything she has said. There could have been many more discoveries in psychology if women were given the chance to help. Also, Christine Ladd-Franklin not receiving a Ph.D. until 40 years later; way to long. She should have been accepted way before that.
I agree with Dylan 100% on how we have come along way from not letting women in the feild of psychology, to now most of the psychology feild is made up of women. I still think it is wrong that women are paid less than men, but im sure that will disintagrate as well.
I think that we've come a long way sense the time of prejudice and censure of women. Especially now as our society is learning to accept what was once a faux pas to allow women into any part of the dominate male world. I'm glad our country at least has evolved into a nation of new ideas, acceptance, and tolerance. I've come to realize that without the push for change in all areas of injustice, we would never grow accustomed to new ideas and women would never have had the chance to demonstrate just how important they are in every aspect of science, medicine, education, politics and much more. I personally want to thank the women who spent their entire lives on making it possible for all woment to have equal opportunity.
Tyler, I definitely agree with what you and Natalia are saying. Discrimination between men and women is so apparent today in places such as the workforce. It is rare to see a woman with a strong business job. I think that is totally unfair because society is denying us jobs because we are women. It makes no sense!
This article is no surprise; the treatment of women in psychology is typical of the treatment of women in all scientific disciplines before the women's rights movement (not to say that things are perfect now). Several women are now studying sex differences in intellectual and emotional areas, which makes me wonder, how have women actually changed the field of psychology through their greater involvement? I think most people would agree that women and men think differently. This is a generalization, but I think we are usually more social and nurturing and more in tune with our own and other people's emotions. For this reason, it makes sense to me that women receive over half the Ph.D.'s in psychology today. Not that either gender would make a better psychologist, but I think women would have approached psychology in a different way and come up with some new ideas that men perhaps wouldn't have.
An example that just occurred to me is postpartum depression. Because this disorder is specific to women, before women entered the profession of psychology, it was often dismissed ("it's just in your head") just as depression and other mental disorders often were. (Of course, it is still controversial today, but becoming more widely recognized.)
While I agree with Jazymn that women should be treated equally, I don't see any inequality as the fault of the government. Under law, we are equal or more than equal--look at affirmative action. Rather, we happen to be the childbearing sex, which sets a career back, and we are struggling with lingering societal prejudices, some of which we compound ourselves--dressing as sex objects, the "I'm going to marry a rich man to support me so I never have to work" philosophy...
Caitlin commented on the rarity of women in business. I think the fields where this is even more apparent are math and science. Men outnumber women 3 to 1 at CalTech. When my mom got her engineering degree she was the only woman in the entire company. So why is this? Are girls somehow discouraged from entering technical fields, or do they just not like them? I'm curious because I'm one of those people who absolutely can't stand math but loves languages. However, I've never felt like I didn't have the same opportunities in math and science as any guy. Is there some kind of inherent difference between the sexes, or are we conditioned by society to have different interests?
In response to Colleen, I think the reason that the male / female ratio difference is so big at engineering schools is because women are more social. I believe women go for more verbal jobs, rather then jobs that have them crunching numbers.
I would have to disagree with Jazmyn, because I do not see the extreme difference in the way women are treated. Sure, in some cases like pregnancy, women are treated differently then men, but I would say in Americas culture most people are treated the same. I know it isn't exactly equal in all cases, but women today are closer to equality than ever before
After reading this article I found myself completely dismayed. It is incredible that men can disregard all the accomplishments and achievements that women have made, based solely on the fact that they are just that, women. Through out all of history women have caught the short end of the stick and dealt with it, but to deny someone just as articulate and intelligent as a male a degree or credibilty because of something as trivial and uncontrollable as gender, well it isn't fair. Granted they came back and tried to fix it, but isn't 40 years a little late? The phrase "Better late than never" quickly comes to mind. It is an absolute tragedy that somebody works that hard and can't even reap the benefits, but all we can do is take this in and try to learn from our prior mistakes. We cannot be too mad because although it took some 100 odd years, we are demonstrating our growth by going back and fixing our mistakes and this is a clear testament to that.
I have read a couple of posts and am a little disappointed. Many are, I feel, missing the bigger picture. Where is the optimism? We are so concerned with our past that we may actually pass by the correct choice. Don't get me wrong, it is very important to enlighten ourselves with the past, but not to let it consume us. We have to look forward and instead of asking "Why did this happen?" or "What could have been?" We should ask what we can do to ensure progression.
I definatly agree with Walter. We can't be consumed in the past, but if we don't learn about our past, we are doomed to repeat mistakes. As cliche as that sounds, it is true but there is a difference between knowledge of the past and being consumed in it. One must ask "why did this happen" in order to understand mistakes made by people before us. For example, if we didnt understand why the Roman Empire fell, we wouldnt be as strong we are today.
This article opens my eyes as to how many great psychologists the world couldve been exposed to if the prejudices that occured against women never happened. Countless of smart and intellectual woman psychologists probably went unheard and had many progressive ideas that related to the world of psychology will never be known. If women were given the same chances as men to attend school, the possibilites wouldve been endless and psychology probably would have progressed a lot faster than it did.
Wally, I think you are right. Sure the article talked all about experiences in the past, but theres nothing we can do to fix it besides learn from it. We can't let history repeate itself. That means, actions should be taken to help ensure that women are just a successful as men in the workfield.
Craig, I respect the fact that you disagree with me. However, I don't understand how you can not see any difference in the treatment of men and women. In so many cases, women are denied the same salary as me, the same rights as men, and the same treatment as men. People in America are most definitely NOT treated the same at all. People have prejudices all the time, and whether or not they are open about it is a different topic. Many employers would pick a man over a women just based upon the fact that it's a man. However, instead of saying, "I didn't pick you because you're a women," people would choose to say, "Oh, uh, he had more qualifications." We all know it's true becuase it happens every single day.
Jazmyn, what i meant is I do not see the extreme difference. I know there is a difference, but at a radical level.
Craig, I agree and disagree with some of your statements. You said that you could not see how women and men are treated differently, but look at the article. This is a prime example of discrimination. Women are not paid or treated the same in the psychology field, and that is a fact. Although, I do agree with you saying that they both play an equal role. Without some men and women, psychology as we know it may have been different today.
After reading the article, I see that there truly is a prejudice against female psychologists. While over the years it has gotten better, it is still there. It can be seen in such places as the work force, women doing the same job as men get paid less money. However, I feel that just as it got better over the years it will continue to decrease.
Among the many flaws in U.S. history, discrimination may be the most prominent. As a country, we are stubborn but we don't completely lack the ability to change. It took over 200 years for women to gain the right to vote, and now, in 2008, the possibility of a female president is highly probable (maybe not so much anymore, go Obama!). It's a common theme in our history: given time, the unequal will become equal or even prevail. In the professional world, namely the world of psychology or even education, women aren't provided with the opportunities that men are fortunate enough to receive. However, I believe, as mentioned in the passage, and exemplified throughout history, women are gradually gaining recognition and salary differences are slowly disappearing.
Regarding Craig's previous post about people being treated the same in America, I would have to say that is controversial. In the last 40 years, thing have greatly improved from what it once was, however they are far from perfect. People are still mistreated due to their gender or race. People's opinions can then be drastically altered due to current events on the news or on the internet. Then there are also environment that one grows up in, if at a young age they are exposed to prejudice idea they will then carry that on as they grow.
I agree with Mark on two of his thoughts. Yes it is true that as a nation we can change, it can be seen through out our history which is only 200 years. But it is bringing that change that takes time. Which brings me to my second point, go Obama!
I agree with amy, if the men in the pshchological world would have just let these woman get thier degrees when they desereved them then we could have discovered a lot more about this field.
Also it doesnt make any sence that woman go through the same amount of schooling and are just as qualified but still arent getting the same finiancial support.
I also agree with Jasper. Prejudice has gotten so much better over the years. There are always going to be people who won't like someone because of the way they look or talk, but now everyone has the same rights. We have come a long way even though it may not be perfect.
I sort of agree with Marissa, i agree its wrong that woman are not getting the same salay as men do, but i do think they are getting more recognition for thier work. In the article it talks about woman like Terry Amabile, Karen DeValois, and Elizabeth Loftus (and several others) and how they have worked on things from creativty to your memory. I think that these woman are now getting the recognition they deserve.
Women in many different types of careers have had to prove themselves time and time again. In the field of psychology it is no different. In my opinion, after reading this article women have contributed greatly to the field psychology. However discrimination against women has definitely not stopped them from going anywhere. It has not stopped them from reaching their goals and achieving their dreams. As the article states because of the perseverance of some of these women they have made academic careers and two of them were finally able to obtain their PhD’s. As time goes I believe women will keep on making great discoveries and huge contributions. They will continue to influence psychology as well as many other professions. As the end the article states the salary differences are smaller now among recent graduates and i believe not only salary but experiences for women in psychology will also change and eventually will be equal or superior to mens.
regarding Natalia Raymond's comment, i never said 'I can not see how women and men are treated differently'. Maybe my first reply was not clear enough >.<
I agree with both Jazmyn and Natalia. Without a doubt some of the most important pieces of information have come from the minds of some of the most brilliant women. I really do not understand why women are being paid less, treated different and sometimes were not even granted PhD’s. That is something I will never understand because all my life I was taught to respect and treat women as my equal. So i will never understand that but i feel that ultimately no much matter how much the government would like to "ignore" the fact that still to this day women are treated unfairly women will find their way despite the conditions or the situations. All I can say is they are just that smart. Women have a lot to offer and if we just do not include them we will miss a lot of very useful information and ideas.
The article not only articulates the almost exclusive focus on masculine psychological finds, but also demonstrates how up until recently (and there are still prejudices) women served a presumably subservient role in society. The reasons for this I believe come from the masculine urge to be dominant, and controlling. By allowing women to enter in an field of research or power, this threatens the male dominance, and because men ran the government, and basically the world in the early twentieth century, they had the power to ban women from receiving degrees. This altered the early stages of psychology because several significant finds made by women, or that could have been made by women had they received a degree, were silenced. If women had been allowed to research
I believe that the science would have progressed much more rapidily
This article is demonstrates the struggles women have faced to gain equal rights through out history. Even though it took Christine Ladd-Franklin 40 years to to receive her Ph.D, it helped to open many doors for women in today society. Before 1920 women didn't even have the right to vote and ever since than women have slowly began to have the same rights as men. The article demonstrates that society cannot change over night but has grown to accept womens ideas in psychology along with many other fields. Today women have contributed to many successful advances in psychology which has helped to improve the field overall.
I follow your train of thought Marissa. We have come a very long way. That is the sad part though. Still to this day women are still treated unfairly and are downsized by is how men. The question I ask is how far back were we? If we have come such a long way and have made great progress the how low were we as a person back then? I think it is sad to think about but we have come so far now.
Well said, Michael Skarsten, although I don't believe you are in 6th period :) I have my own theory as to why women don't live in the egalitarian world that they deserve. From almost the beginning of mankind, our way of life functioned in the following way: the men were educated so as to provide for the family and the women stayed home to care for the children. Can we assume that this is possibly a psychological matter and that maybe it is engraved into the minds of the products (us) of generations and generations of people living this way of life? In other words, for hundreds of years, the men had the jobs and provided money and food for the family and the women protected the children. I believe that men, particularly men in powerful positions, are still subconsciously in this state of mind that women belong at home and not in positions equal or superior to themselves.
This article focuses on the differences of men and women in the work area of pychology. i would say that some of the facts it presents are not applicable now, times have changed since 1892. there are still prejudices towards women in most aspects of the world. it is good to be reminded of what women have gone through and are going through. so that we wont be one to carry on that prejudice.everyones work should be judged by its quality not by the sex of the author. so i agree with this article, women deserve more credit and shouldnt be restricted to anything because of their sex
I agree with mark pettibone. I like how he used how long it took for women to earn the right to vote as a source. And i also think that over time women will be equal to men. I think that the early field of psychology was skewed to the favor of men. What we know of great contributions published by men from that time, may not be completely their work. and just because of prejudice, everyone involved may not have been given credit.
I completely agree with Mark. I don't think that any man would intentionally put down a female but we were just raised with these sort of ideals and molded by society to be what we thought we needed to be. It is still ingrained in the mind of most men but with conditioning and repetition I am sure we will see a dramatic change and women will receive the equality that they so eagerly await.
This is true Walter. We are a new generation and I believe that it is our obligation to alter these ideals and open equal opportunities for women.
This article is an excellent overview of the adversities and discrimination that every woman faced before gender equality was addressed. I was appalled to be informed that such brilliant psychologists were denied a PhD after completing every requirement, and most were not even admitted into prestigious schools only because they were female. Some very prominent females of the past had to endure several injustices throughout their lifetime and several female psychologists still have not received proper recognition, which is completely absurd. I only hope that they can find proper documentation today in order to rightfully recognize the accomplishments and advances that they have made to this field.
I think this article brings up some good points about women not only in psychology, but also in society. Women can and have always been intellectually equal to men, but were never able to be their best in universities because they were denied just because of gender. Like the article says isn’t wasn’t until 40 years after Christine Ladd-Franklin completed her degree necessities that she actually received a PhD. She received it in 1926, but even now in 2008, women are still being treated different then male psychologists by being paid less. I think it is ridiculous that just because of one’s gender they are treated differently.
I strongly agree with eddie on how he says that "that it is unjustified, that through all the hard work women put to their studies and achievements, they were still neglected by the colleges and universities". Now women receive more than half the Ph.D's today, so do you think that is going to increase in the next 50 years by a lot or say the same?
I agree with coasterdude91 on how he says that colleges should except you on no matter what you race, sex religion, etc. They should give you your degrees if you deserve it.
I think that Gorge Chavira brings up some really good points, in his part about the government ignoring the fact that women are still being treated differently. If only all men thought the way you do about respecting women and treating as equals the world would be a differnet place. All I hope is that each generation learns from the past about discrimination and learns to fight it, because it is one of the biggest problems in the world
After reading several comments, I do agree with Wally, we must let go of what has happened and try to aid to the expansion of women in the working field. It is not something that we can change, merely learn from and because there really is nothing that we can do, except for try to rightfully accredit those who never received appropriate recognition.
I loved Samantha points about women being admitted to colleges just because they were women. I think that is even worst then an intelligent women being denied to a university because they are female. I also think that Tylers comment at the end about how it is wrong but might have been right for the time, should not be an excuse for the actions of the men mostly back then. Discrimination is as wrong now as it was back then. Women just are no longer afraid to stand up for what they believe in.
I disagree with the comments made about equality eventually being reached. It is very unlikely that the disposition of the world as a whole will be seen as "equally" righteous. Like several have stated, it is innate for us to make biased actions and that we are slowly becoming more just, but with the way that society interprets and defines these actions, it is fair to state that "equality" will never be reached. Say you have a boss who is faced with hiring five psychologists, and out of all the applicants, four men and only one woman were the ones who seemed to fulfill and even exceed all job requirements. He has reached a predicament, because even if he bases his decision on who is the most qualified and hires a majority of the male applicants, he will still be seen as someone who is sexist or even prejudice. So he must take this into account when hiring in order to protect his reputation and the companies. Now does this seem fair? If you take this into consideration, it is rational to ask if equality will ever be reached? is equality ever based on the whole 50/50 and split down the middle theory?
I think that keeping woman out of Pyschology is the dumbest thing that men could have done because Pyschology is the study of the minds of both men and women. So not allowing women to participate sort of defeats the purpose of studying at all because the input of half of the studies isn't being added. Men were making their own ideas about women instead of consulting women and asking for their insight. That is like studing High Schools but leaving the students out of the study.
I agree with Wally in all of his posts. We dont need to be focusing on the negative things of our past and what they were. We need to learn from that and change it. I'd have to disagree with Samantha. The equality of men and women have changed dramatically over the last 200 years. To say progress will just stop is unlikely. I believe in time this issue of equality will fade.
I agree with Samantha and Wally about letting go of things that have happened in the past because if you are stuck on mistakes that were made in the past you can't move on with the things that need to be done know because you are still trying to blame or justify the actions of people who wouldn't have wanted your opinions in the first place.
I half agree with caitlin because i do think that woman have fully integrated into the career field with men because for the first time in 20 years their are more woman going to work then staying at home and having families. But i do agree that woman are still treated unfairly in those careers because they are seen as newcomers or the like.
I have already posted all the comments I need, and I still feel the need to post more. No disrespect meant, I'm getting extremely frustrated by how naive some people are being. Wally, you say that you don't think any man would intentionally hurt a women. That's outrageous for you to say, because there are people out there that want to (and do) do it everyday. I honestly believe that there is a lot of shady things going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to slam all men, because there are some very amazing one's out there, but just like women, there are men out there purely just to hurt people. And Craig, I apologize for not understanding what you meant. I guess the difference isn't radical, but is sill quite large.
I thought “Missing: Women in Psychology?” brought up many valid points of discrimination. We as Americans have come a long way in the last 200 years. From years of slavery to woman’s rights, prejudice seems to present itself in nearly all aspects of life. This includes schooling, working and the right given to every American. It’s disappointing to read about universities not granting doctorates to some of their brightest students and the differences in salary pay for these women psychologists. Sexism is still a prominent issues today especially among the workplace, however, it is getting better. I do think that society should be careful on how it deals with this prejudice though. Take racism in America for example. After years of civil rights movements, marches and rallies, racism (from the point of view of where I live and what I observe) has ceased show itself in such severe cases as in the 1800s – 1970s. Society has become more civilized as a result, however, getting back to being careful about dealing with discrimination, I’ve found several aspects of post-(1800s-1970s) era that are a bit troubling. One that most of use seniors and juniors can relate to: scholarships. I have a problem with scholarships that are only specifically given to a certain race or ethnicity. What is that? Is it a formal apology for the years of suffering so in return other group is discriminated against? For example, I was looking up scholarships and found one the met my criteria, however it was only offered to persons among the Hispanic/Latino race. How is that fair? It just seems to be a step in the opposite direction to me, and I found it valid to this article because it deals directly to how we are dealing with prejudice issues such as women’s rights.
I agree strongly with Michael's points of view (although I don't believe you're in our class..) about men seeking to be dominant and thus basically ruling the world and not allowing women to take part in important aspects of society. I also think we'd be a lot farther as humans if women had been able to contribute more.
I concur (oh yes), with Wally's point of view. To quote from the song "Jumper", "Can you put the past away!?!!" I think that optimism is needed in many of these comments. It does deal with the past and many aspects of human error, however I don't believe enough credit is given to the progess we've made today.
I think this article is very true. It shows the prejudice against women in all occupational fields. Without women in psychology there would be a lot of missing important theories. I also think that it shows how strong women are because they can accomplish just as much as men did, but without all the advantages. Women are still discriminated by their gender today, but it has gotten a lot better than in the past. I do not think that it is fair that women and men put in the same amount of effort into their work, and still men get treated better.
I agree with Colleen about how women and men both think differently. If there were only men psychologists, then there would only be certain things explained. With both men and women, there are different perspectives to consider when studying different theories.
I also agree with Chris about how much we missed out on without allowing women to study earlier. There could have been a lot of very intelligent women that could have became a very big help to psychology.
I also agree with Michael that men tried to hinder women's accomplishments and sometimes block them out completely. To relate this with my previous point, men might have felt intimidated by women and their ideas that they thought they were insuperior and made society not accept them as professionals.
I think its sad that females aren`t getting the credit they really deserve for their psychology work.Its no real surprise considering women have always had to overcome more obstacles to recieve the same amount of credit and respect as men. I was amazed by the accomplishments certain women have made like Mary Whiton Calkins, Christine Ladd-Franklin and Elizabeth Loftus. Im glad that present day psychologists are noted and treated with an equal amount of respect. - Chynna R.
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