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As you read the postings of your classmates, consider how you might add to the discussion. You could ask probing questions, offer examples, share a different perspective, seek clarification, add your own insights based on your experiences from outside this course, etc. Avoid brief comments like, "I agree with Helen." Your goal is to add to the discussion so that further understanding develops. I expect from each participant at least two postings in response to other student answers (this is in addition to posting your answer to the DQs).
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I feel that it is safe to say after reading the article that women have been leaving an impression in the fields of psychology since it's earliest years. The fact that sexual predjudice denied them credit for their work is, regrettable, and wrong in more than one sense. Perhaps Eleanor Maccoby, Alice Eagly, or Jacquelin Eccles could help us understand why the society of the late 1800's-early 1900's felt that women should be robbed of the rights that men had.
I'm not quite sure how women became second to man in the first place but the fact that this prejudice lasted so long (and is still shown today)is a shame. It is particularly shameful due to the fact that women in the late 1800's and early 1900's were conducting great studies that helped make psychology what it is today. With out the women and men who were excited to learn more about the way a humans mind works life as we know it would not be plausible.
I couldn't agree more. It seemed to be the combined efforts of men and women alike that produced the modern psychology we know today. And if more than half of the Ph.D's in psychology are granted to women, we can't be certain that there weren't more thoughts and studies that were ignored by an early society's primitive way of thinking
I believe that people were very closed minded in the past and still are to today. Women (in any field) should be treated equally to men. Just because women have more things to do, ie... motherhood duties and trying to balance a career, should not make them inferior to men in any sort. The first women psychologists did help in the broadening of the minds of their peers and i thank them for that.
Looking at what women did in the feilds of psychology makes me think about all of the other things that women did to help make the world what it is today. For example there is Harriet Tubman and Madam Curie along with other women who made a great impact on the world. Knowing about the accomplishments that these women have made makes me confident that more women can make even more contributions to psychology. I look forward to see what other great things women and men will do in that future that will help further he human races knowledge about psychology.
Ryan, Jazmyn and Alannah!
Good with you first postings! I also agree with you and find it important that we research the work done by these women.
P.S. Alannah stay on this discussion board and with the next chapter post in third hour.
The time marks big step backward in our pursuit for equal rights for all men and women. Things aren't perfect now either, we still have our problems, ie.. sexism, racism, and small minded thinking. But in the grand scheme of things, I'd say we've made progress; men and women both contributed to that. Like Jazmyn talked about, there are more than a handful of examples of women's impact to our society. It's most important that we've come to realize the contributions that women have made to psychology, and that their ideas and research are now accepted. Psychology, in truth had mothers along with it's fathers
In response to Ryan and Jazmyn's comments, it is almost embarrassing to say that discrimination, whether by sex or race, still occurs in America. Many times in history, women have adopted male publishing names to get their books or other writings on the market, and if they didn't, they often times had their work stolen by men. I honestly don't know how sexism came to favor the man because the Native Americans lived in a matriarchal society.
Because women often aren't provided with financial aid, as compared to men, it shows that people do not expect women to be successful in, what used to be, male dominated careers. However, the fact is, women are just as, if not more, capable of understanding the mind, especially since women tend to go through more emotions on a daily basis than men.
I don't know if we can reply to ourselves but I just wanted to point out that even if men are given an advantage over women right now, our generation is grasping the idea of equality and we are the future leaders of America, the ones giving out the scholarships, so we can make change for the future.
That's always hopeful!
I agree with Jessi when she says that women are probably more capable of understanding the mind (no offense to any guys out there). In most cases women are more connected to their thoughts and emotions then men are which most likely makes it easier and more exciting for them to really get an insight on how the mind works.I suppose though that men could be also be excited about psychology becasue it might help them get to know what is going on inside a womans head.
Women have played a very important role in modern psychology and it is a shame that the prejudice in the earlier years kept them from making even more progress. It's good to know that not ALL men were so prejudiced that they didn't recognize the contributions that women such as Christine Ladd-Franklin and Whiton Calkins could make. However, nowadays I believe that the sexual prejudice is much less. We are now making much more progress due to women's knowledge and contributions.
I also agree with Jessie about how women are more likely to understand the mind. If they were allowed to be better educated and go further in psychology earlier on, we could have much much faster and more progress. It's crazy to think how much farther we COULD be if it wasn't for the sexual prejudice in history.
In today's world, I feel as if women have been deprived of their rights to knowledge. Many people associate the fields of science and math with the careers of men, and hardly do they ever say that women are actively involved in those fields. With today's supposed equality, shouldn't women be associated with everything that men are associated with intelligence wise? But the problem lies there. Women are still associated with jobs such as nursing, cooking, and keeping secretary, while men are considered more in the "powerful" jobs such as math. In this sense, they still have the upper hand over women, just as they had a hundred years ago. And women are not given credit for their achievements, or their intelligence for that matter. Many people still think that women do not have the capability to do as well as men in some areas, which is completely ludicrous. And the problem with that view is that women have come up with some brilliant ideas that help create the concepts that we know today. I think that it is just wrong to have these sexist views, and the boundaries need to be pushed to create a world where women are valued just as much as men.
In reply to Angela's comment, I don't know who ever wrote down that cooking, cleaning, and taking care of children are less respectable and less difficult than working, plowing, or other "men" jobs. Last time I checked, children are a handful, and while a man may be sitting at a desk all day typing on a computer or looking in microscopes, women are the ones changing diapers, feeding babies, vacuuming, scrubbing, etc. It's not so much that people have put a "rule" on which jobs are more difficult and which aren't, but that people have created opinions about which sex is more prominent and which jobs are reserved for which gender that are passed down from generation to generation.
After reading the article and the other bloggers' responses, I concur that the sexual bias towards women is completely unjust. I know that I would be furious if I put in the same amount of labor, dedication, and school years as the next person and they received a superior salary only because of the different sex, ethnicity, origin, etc. The good thing is that prejudice is gradually declining every year.
Thibault makes a good point. People need to put themselves in another person's shoes before making life changing decisions. No offense to men, but it is probably the male gender who discriminates against females (since each gender probably views itself as the master race) which isn't go blame. Girl power all the way right? Wrong. It's time that society starts thinking of itself as a whole instead of separating people into races, genders, income earned, etc.
I don't think everything in the article should be taken as prejudice. Though the last paragraph talks about the differing jobs between men and women in psychology fields, I don't necessarily find this wrong. Many people have been saying that they think women have a natural tendency to better understand emotional issues, which I agree with. These qualities go well with a profession at a school or similar atmosphere. Additionally, I believe that in general men are more competitive than women and work better in more pressing environments like the business world or the government. This is why I believe women and men get the jobs that they do, not because of prejudice, but because there in lies their natural strengths.
After reading the article, I was reminded of how unfair our society is today. Sure, women do have different skills and mental characteristics, but, overall, any human can do anything if they set their mind to it(within reasonable limits). Today, we see men cooking, cleaning, and nurturing as good as, if not better, than women. All humans are capable of 'men's' and 'women's' jobs. Those brave female psychologists that stood up for their right to express their ideas should be rewarded instead of punished with low wages. If someone's good at something, shouldn't they be compensated for their hard work? Not to mention that some higher-payed men get to come home and relax in front of the TV while his wife, tired from work herself, must prepare dinner and tend to the children.
There is a quote in this article that says that women graduate students tend to recieve less financial support from than men do. Personally i thought that the whole thought that men are superior to women ended many years ago. Women have the same rights as men now but i cant seem to grasp why they arent treated well in the workplace. If i was a women and i worked just as hard as a male, i would beleive i should get paid just as much as he did no matter what job. Companies should look for efficency, not gender. Another part of this article says that "today women recieve over half of the Ph. D's granted in psycholgy" this quote amazed me because i did not know women played such a big role in psychology.
I completey agree with what Nadya is saying about men doing the
"traditional" job that women did. My uncle stays at home with his two daughters while my aunt goes to work every day of the week. He loves it and she is great at what she does so it works out perfectly. I just do not understand why gender is such a big deal in america. We eneded racism and now we need to end sexism now before its too late.
In response to chelsey burklows comment, sure there may be progress but is that enough? Is trying enough? I do not agree because i believe that if the problem isnt solved, then that means we are not trying hard enough to fix the problem. If a judge tries to prosecute a criminal but doesnt, is that good enough? This country needs to do something about prejudice against women.
In response to Annie, I agree that men and women have historically been better at certain things. This article isn't all about prejudice. But why wasn't a woman praised for excelling at a job that a man usually does? These women are stepping out of their comfort/expectation zone to do something they're obviously passionate about.
Native American societies consider the woman to be more important, for she is the child-bearer and the continuer of life. All animals are created to have the best chances of continuing generations; women are a key role in this goal.
It's really sad how women have always been understimated. Then, they weren't even allowed to recieve the degrees they worked so hard for, and now, they get their degrees but get paid less than boys. I really don't understand what the problem is? Yeah people were old fashioned back then, but now? Why is a boy psychologist more prone to getting hired by the government than girl psychologists? And why do girls receive less financial aid? When I was reading the beginning of the article, it was kind of normal to me; girls being underestimated and working really hard to receive the props they deserve, but what really made me mad was the end, when it is 2008 and women are still being thought less of. And yes, a lot of these ladies made a big impact and without them, maybe psychology would be an all boys field, but come on, it's hundreds of years later! All of this should be in the past. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting all men down because William James did say that Mary Whiton Calkins was one of his brightest students, but I blame society! Everyone has this mind set of how girls should act, and what they should and shouldn't do and what boys are supposed to do, everything is so structured and I don't like structure. That's why I admire everyone who breaks barriers in this world, but then again I like barriers because then people get to show off how amazing they are, like these women. But anyway, I am proud of them for breaking barriers and taking psychology to where it's at now, without them, who knows how the world would be now? :]
This is in response to what Andrew said.
When I was little my mom used to help deliver babies so she would have to leave the house at any moment and some births take days. My dad was left at home taking care of us. He still worked, but my mom "brought home the bacon", I guess. So my dad was the "mom" in the family, and my mom was the "dad", and according to my mom, they got divorced because they "switched roles".
What I'm trying to say is, that maybe Andrew's uncle is happy with taking care of the kids ,but my dad got unhappy because I guess it kind of hurt him to see his wife do the work he was supposed to do, and my mom was mad because she felt like she was running everything in the house, doing the job my dad was suppposed to do.
It kinda makes me think that maybe these "roles" we give men and women come from within, like a psychological thing? What we were talking about in class today about the conciousness, I kinda forgot what it's called sorry Mrs. Alston! But that whole thing that when we experience something, its what we're used to, so we keep doing it? So maybe my dad saw that my grandma stayed at home and my grandpa went out at work so being a part time stay at home dad hurt his manliness? Hahaha
I hope my parents don't get mad at me for sharing their problems. :]
In response to Annie, and I promise I won't talk so much this time! I think girls have better emotional understanding, I don't know what it is but that's usually the case. But then there is those cases where some boys are more emotional and when some girls can work better in a goverment or business field. It depends on the person, and I really hope that when these people are getting hired, they are getting hired for the right reasons and not because they are male or female.
In response to Oriana's response to my response, i understand what your saying. Ive heard many instances about where the woman "wears the pants in the relationship." and Im sorry that your parents split because of it.
I also believe that sometimes these come natural to people. Like Oriana said, people may feel the need that they need to support their family or stay home and take care. The "traditional/normal" thing is for the woman to stay and watch the kids while the man makes the money. I believe this is a problem for some families when that is reversed but for some it works. It is all about the people involved and the situations at hand.
This is a really good article in the New York Times about how men and women share roles in families today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/magazine/15parenting-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin
In response to Andrew's post and everyone else talking about men and women being forced to play their traditional roles, I do think things are changing. This article I put above talked about several specific examples of families where they worked to equally divide the role of parenting. Each parent trusted the other to fulfill their individual responsiblities - this is true parenting, designating one person to fulfill the majority of duties of parenthood.
To reply to Annie, I have to agree that women do have a natural tendency to do better at certain jobs than men do. Men and women do have their natural strengths, and this is what makes them better suited for different jobs. But they should not be limited to certain jobs. Just because traditionally women, or men for that matter, aren't in a field of study, doesn't mean that they should be put off to the side and deemed as less capable than men. Their studies need to be taken seriously, as they are make to make some great contributions.
In response to Annie, I agree that things are changing. I was discussing this topic with my dad, and he has some interesting opinions. He explains that, yes, women have worked hard at and achieved an important role in society. They now have successful and respectable careers. But, according to him, women do not have a right to complain about having to work and raise a family at the same time because that is what they advocated for during the women's rights movements (and before that). I don't agree with this, but I figured I'd post it anyway.
In response to Nadya, I kind of agree with your dad's comments. Though women in the US do have many roles to fulfill, they are fortunate to be given such a variety of options and responsibilities. In so many parts of the world, people's views still remain very traditional - viewing the woman as a weak counterpart to the man, requiring her to submit to his every demand and stay at home with the children. Yet here in America, people do recognize that women have the ability to deal with both pressures from the workplace and at home.
I do hope that society never loses respect for those stay at home parents, especially moms. This role is often very vital for a family to remain connected, healthy and generally calm. Personally, having grown up with my mom always being at home, I think it would be very difficult for me if she decided to go back to work, even at the age of 17. It's really nice going home knowing she'll be there and willing to help or talk to me when I need it. It's really interesting that different families function in such different ways.
I agree with Annie's original post. Not everything in the article was prejudice, because women and men should have slightly different jobs due to the different ways the male and female brains work. However, if a man and woman are working in the same job and getting different amounts of pay, there is a problem with that.
P.S. Andrew...you've known me since elementary school and you still can't spell my name?
My response to CHELSEA. Yes i do know how to spell your name now. I have a few questions for you because im curious what your opinion is, how do you think the male and female brains are different? Do you think that differences in thought process make it okay for different wages? Also, what jobs do you think either males would be better at or women? Thank You
I, personally found this reading quite interesting. For one, the first thing that comes to mind when someone says "psychologist" to me is a woman. I also found it really interesting that women are paid less still today. It makes you think of how much we could of benefitted if all findings and input had been accepted back then and how much further we would be today.
The fact the women have had to suffer through such injustices is awful and it is regrettable that these injustices still exist in the modern world. While it’s true that a person’s gender may influence some of their thoughts, that’s not an excuse for chastising women who wish to enter the field of psychology. The fact that a woman often receives wages that are significantly less than that of a man is appalling. People’s gender shouldn’t matter unless it is somehow stopping them from doing their job well. I know that if I were doing the same amount of work at the same quality and I was getting paid less than a male I would be very upset. The women who stand up for their rights and continue on with their careers, despite society’s negative, attitude should be rewarded, not punished. Anybody can hold any job they wish to, they should not be limited by gender. Men can be stay at home fathers or nurses and women can be lawyers or psychologists. The “roles” of males and females should be interchangeable. The fact of the matter is that we are all human, male or female, and we should be treated as such.
I was thinking some more (as I often do in the middle of the night when I can’t sleep) and after reading other’s thoughts and opinions on the articles I’ve thought of some new ideas. In response to Annie, yes it is very fortunate that we, as women, are given many rights in America but does that mean we should settle? We’re give almost equal rights so that should just be enough? I truly do appreciate that I’m not living in a third world country where I would be forced into a certain role. However, just because women are given more rights doesn’t mean they are given equal rights. Yes, many people recognize that women are capable of being more than just home makers but many people also believe a woman’s place is in the home. Many people still, unfortunately, believe that because of our gender our mind is somehow inferior. I know that I have experienced this personally many times in my life. The equilibrium may be shifting but women still have a ways to go before they possess equal rights.
I’m not trying to say that women shouldn’t be stay at home moms. I’m just saying that they should be given the chance to pursue a career of their choice without having to worry about discrimination.
In response to oriana, you make a good point about the "roles" we give to men and women and their subconscious effects on the mind. I do think that we associate men and women with these roles because that is what we grew up with. Many, many years ago, when predjudice was so prevalent, women had certain roles in society. And these roles are quite similar to the jobs that women are associated with today, with respect to one primarily working parent. The farther we go back in the generations, we see a trend that shows the father going to work and the mother staying home and watching the kids. If you grow up seeing your parents on this type of trend, wouldn't you think that that is the pretty much the only acceptable way to run a household? This pattern would be ingrained in your mind. So when you run your own family, you would apply that pattern. If you didn't apply that pattern, subconsciously you might think that you are doing it wrong because you aren't doing things how your parents taught you, and it wouldn't be the same way that you personally grew up. I also think that this is how some of the "women" and "men" jobs came around. For many decades, we have come to know certain jobs for different genders, and I think that that stems from the social rules from decades ago, passed on through parental example. And although I think that society is starting to wane away from that example, it still is revalent in today's society.
I believe that this article is a small representation of the discrimination that is going on in the world today and even in our own country! I think it is a shame that early women psychologists were not as recognized as they should have been but I admire all the valuable work and research they continued to do in their careers. This article helps show the amounts of effort given by women psychologists that have helped in the success in psychology and how hopefully in the future they will be more recognized and given more financial support.
After reading the article I felt that if women would have had a larger role in the building blocks of Psychology they would have a greater income than Male psycologists do this day in age. It is wrong that a women were denied docterates after completing the requirements at the top of their class, as Mary Whiton Calkins was. Early Psychology should be marked by more women than men because of their great accomplishments and bright ideas. It is just sad that society was so ignorant and the men would not accept the fact that some women were at or above the level of research they were at. Despite the fact that men are known for the field of early psychology, more and more women's voices are being heard from in the field today.
I agree with Thibault, when he says that women deserve equal salary as men in the field for doing equal work. It is unjust for women in not getting credit for their research and on top of that not getting equal salary is bazerk. It is that way still today where men Psycologists make an average of at least 8,000 dollars more than women.
I also agree with Jesse when she pointed out that even though the rights of women were not very broad during the early times of psychology, our generation is opening more doors. In our society women have equal rights with men in everything and are not discriminated in education any longer. It is great that the works of women today are put at the same level as men. In the future hopefully that gap will completely be closed and gender will not be an issue.
This article underlies a huge problem in our society; prejudice against women. Although over the years, this prejudice has been reduced, it still is there and has to be dealt with.
In the field of Psychology, multitudes of women have been denied of their accomplishments. As seen in the article, men have flat out ignored women and their accomplishments.
I believe this article shows people just how robbed women are when it comes to equal treatement. Even though it is getting better, women should still fight for equal treatement for school opportunities, job opportunities, and salaries, until there is no line drawn between men and women.
I think its nuts that after everything mankind has been through and everything we have fought for, we still deny women the respect and credibility that they deserve. I think one of the big problems is that people today think that sexism is a thing of the past and although it is greatly reduced, it would be naive to say that women are considered equal to men in society. Especially in such a difficult field as psychology we should reconginize the tremendous achievments of women and continue to strive for the equality that they deserve.
-joe whitley
In response to chelseas comment. how can women understand the mind better than men and comprehend it at a faster pace? i thought the whole point of this article and society was to play men and women at an equal level.
I agree with Ryan. I believe that women should continue to strive for equal treatment until they get it. Even if our country is becoming more tolerant we should continue to fight for equal job opportunities, wages, and treatment. I know that it’s impossible to achieve one hundred percent tolerance when it comes to the issue of women’s rights but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
I agree with Ryan Holly when he says that he still believes that women should continue to fight for their justice and equal rights. Even though sexual prejudice is reducing, it is still all over around the world and especially America. I can think of one example that people prefer the doctors are men and nurses are women which I do not agree at all. I think it would be great if the women of our generation at school took more action. They could even start up a club where any sex can join.
After reading this article it really made me think about how many women have been denied certain privileges becuase of thier gender. It is sickening that Mary Whiton Calkins was denied a doctorate from Havard because of her sex. Sure today there are not HUGE differences in wages, and other things between men and women, but they are still there. Like Jazmyn Henkel said in her first comment, I am not too sure myself how women became second to man in the first place. Now we see that men and women can pretty much do the same things with the same quality. So there shouldn't be the differences in treatment and wages.
I agree with the comment that Oriana said about how girls tend to have a better emotional understanding than men do. Women are more prone to going off their emotion and most men go off logic and facts. That is not true for all men and women, some men are more emotional and some women make decisions based off more facts. I also believe that women also go through a lot more emotional things in their lives than men will go through. I hope that the men that are better at carreers with more emotion aren't denied becuase of their gender and also that women that are less emotion based and would be good in more business fields don't get turned away becuase of their gender.
After reading the article you supplied us, it was apparent that in the past people were prejudice against women than what I had originally thought. I mean, we all knew in the past women were discriminated upon but it's a shame because those three women could have really gone far and taken psychology to a new level by researching more, which in turn would haved helped the human race at the time! What's even more upsetting is that on average in our modern day society, the woman still makes $8,000 less than a man. Luckly, discrimination towards women has severely decreased and has gone even further down thanks to Hilary Clinton running for president, by doing that she proved herself and her gender equal to that of the man. So there's definitely still hope out there and discrimination against women will continue to disappear from our lives but it will never fully go away.
@jessie, jazmyn, and chelsea (but this only counts as one response)
Wait I don't understand why a woman and a man would have any differences at comprehending and understanding the mind. Just because the majority of us guys don't share our feelings and such doesn't mean we aren't as connected and such. You'd be suprised what we're thinking, haha.
Women have been key contributors in psychology as found evident in the article "Missing: Women in Psychology?" But as previosly stated by others, womens' works haven't been given the aknowlegment they deserve. But sexism has been in existence since the begining of recorded history; sadly sexism still occurs today. Although sexism isn't as easily seen in America in comparison to say the Middle East, it would be ignorant to believe sexism ceases to exist. It is great we are shedding light to this topic.
Women have been overlooked in the past as assistants other than psychologists. I believe that if women are being overlooked then why they don’t make a separate school for men and women to see in reality who are the psychologist. In the end, changes have happened, however, there needs to be more recognition for women.
I agree with Alyssa when she said that it is appaling that women recieve lower wages than men do when they do the same quantity and quality of work. We should never settle for being CLOSE to equal to men. I aslo agree with Andrew when he said that if the problem is not solved then we are not trying as hard as we could to fix it. Unfortunately I think Sam is right when he said that there will always be a line between men and women, so some people don't want to try to fix the injustice done to women. Thankfully we live in a country that there is not as big a difference as other countries. I really hope countries like the countries in the Middle East come as far in helping women's rights as we have came.
@ryan holly:
I really believe that you are on track with the statement that you made saying that the fight for women's equality is not over. But when you think about it, the line between woman and man will ALWAYS be there, especially in places like Iran where the culture there does not allow women to be police officers (I'm not sure if this has changed, I have to check with my parents) and women cannot show their heads and have to wear head scarves. We can only reduce the problem, but it will never be solved.
Sucks to be negative but that's life. :/
I agree with sam's comment. Women have lost many opportunities to make discoveries in the field of psychology. If the remarkable female researchers would have been given a personal research center, or were given more equipment or labs to work in, they might have been able to make more incredible discoveries about the human mind. Just think, these three women could have been more of a household name, because of incredible discoveries. But they were restricted because of their gender.
I do not agree with sam's recent comment about the difference between women and men.
Eventually, I believe each gender will be thought of as equals. Maybe not in Iran, but maybe in America. Everyone is wary of people who are different, such as in religion, ethnicity, or gender. And I am not saying that men will let go of that wariness of females, but I am saying that females will be given more respect, and become as powerful as males in the workplace.
Eventually, women will be
@ryan holly
Maybe I should have clarified myself a bit more now that I have had time to think about it and see your response. I really do believe that America will be able to overcome sexism, eventually. It may take some time still but it's definitely going away and that is an enormous step for our nation. Iran for SURE will never go away but women in america are being given much more credit and opporunities in our world to be successful.
I agree with Angela in the fact that it is true that women are not associated with the scientifical fields. There is a definite bias towards certain careers that people tend to think are "men’s jobs". I believe women can have success in any profession if they have the passion and drive. Women have also proven themselves of great success even with all the adversities. I also agree with Angela that the boundaries need to be pushed to allow a less sexist world. Even though the boundaries do need to be pushed i have also seen some very independent and courageous women in our society trying to do that very thing.
I also agree with Sam's comment about Hilary Clinton making a difference in the fight for equality because it showed how our new century is becoming more open to the idea of women having high power in our work force and and in our society. I also agree that there is still hope in the future for equality of all men and women of all nations. Also, on a lighter note, we have made great strides over the years to end the discrimination but we still have a lot to learn.
It isn't right for someone to have dedicated all of the effort and display all of the ability inorder to gain a position in the psychology work force(or any work force for that matter)and be denied of that position. This situation is portrayed in the case of Mary Whiton Calkins, whom taught at a distinguished school and was described by William James as his brightest student, yet she never gained a place on the faculty of a major research institution. This is one obstacle(back in the day and possibly somewhat still today) that women had to face in psychology.
It really is a shame that the women who helped define modern day psychology weren't given what they deserved simply because they weren't men. As almost everyone has said, women in society aren't as highly appreciated (or highly paid) as perhaps they should be. In reality, it really shouldn't matter whether the person or people who helped develop psychology to what it is today was a man or women, because either way it was great. Back then, and even still today, it does seem to matter and what those women did wasn't as great simply because they weren't men, in some people's eyes. People, are supposedly equal, and those women should have been credited equally as if a man did what they did.
In response to Sam + Ryan.
I disagree that eventually men and women will be equal. They never will be completely equal. Even today, women are supposed to be equal but their will always be people out their that don't believe that. Just like racism is "gone," it really isn't. There are still many people who hate people for the color of their skin. Some people just aren't willing to change. I don't think the issue will ever be completely solved.
In response to Amanda
I'm glad you pointed out the technical factor that MOST women experience more emotion and vice versa. Personally, I have met a good deal of men that are more, "feminine" in the fact that they are more emotional than most. And vice versa, I don't really see myself as an emotional person, I am more technical. So women aren't the only emotional ones! :)
After reading this article I have to say that the bias and descrimination toward women is absurd. I find no reson why man is more superior towards its female counterpart. I aplaud the women in the past to have the perseverence to become whatever they intended to be. I couldn't imagine how much much progression the psychological field could be today if women weren't limited to what they could do in the past.
In response to Sam Haghgoo
I totally agree with you when it comes to the differences towards men and women’s mind. There really isn't a difference between them. I can't comprehend why men were so closed minded in the past and how some are still today. Whenever I hear, "oh she’s a girl she can't do that," or "women always get it easy," when that is the total opposite. They are the ones who have to go great lengths to be appealing to men by wearing makeup and flashy outfits. They have to go through menstrual cycles and give birth while men just stand on the sidelines and watch this all happen before their eyes. We are the ones who have it easy and I have a sense of guilt when I think of that.
The Constitution of our country states "..all men are created equal..", but where does it say anything about women? I strongly believe that discrimination, racism, and sexism are one of our many difficult challenges we as people fight against, however, it still exists. The society we live in today is far from equal and although there is always hope for an equal society, this situation will take a little more than just wishing. Women, just as men, have the ability to create great or even greater marks on our world. Of course modern day society includes a greater amount of both gender acknowledgment than in the early 1900's, but all in all... women always seem to be second. Moreover, without many of man and woman's creations, our world would be far from where it is today, and for that we should all be grateful.
In response to ryanholly
I have to agree with you when it comes to equal rights between men and women in the United States today. Women can just be as successful as men or even more in carriers today. I can see countries in the Middle East like Iran to not open their minds toward women any time soon but where we live is a total different story. After the women’s suffrage in 1921 everything started to look better for women and their futures and I appreciate what they have done in our diverse multicultural nation we call home toady. :)
In my opinion, I don't think it matters much what sex makes the big discoveries. It's mankind that are discovering things. That should be satisfying enough. Being a girl, I understand the prejudice that still lingers today, but if a woman isn't getting the attention she wants, she isn't standing up enough. It's intriguing that women do have such an influence on psychology and it is a shame that men try to take most of the recognition in many medical fields. Then again, I greatly take pride in the women who do make break throughs, because that means they didn't back down knowing men are more dominant.
In response to Laura's first blog, i completely agree. It is very shameful that because of a different gender a different acknowledgment is granted. With the wish list of improvements our society hopes to fulfill, this should defiantly be top five. Our world has improved from before but as they say, we don't want history to repeat itself...
In response to Jazmyn
I don't understand how men came first either. In medical practices that is. With us both being from the Church of Christ, we both understand that man did come first. As I said before in my first blog, if a woman seems to be in the minority, she didn't say enough. The only woman in history that I can think of that retaliated, was Joan of Arc. She didn't care that men were the only ones allowed to fight. Women are emoitional people and rather than fight most of the time, they seem to be satisfied with the back-burner. Inside, all of us girls hate it, but obviously not enough to say something most of the time.
In response to Juleigh;
I could not agree with you more. A "Man's job" can just as easily become a woman's. In example, my sister can change a tire in seven minutes. I know many guys who can not do it that fast, or even at all. Just like a man can become a nurse or housekeeper, a woman has full potential to being mechanical or becoming an amazing engineer. All in all, this encourages both males and females to make a difference not many would expect. Is that you? :]
In response to Nate's response to Sam H.
I completely agree with what you are saying about men being the ones to whine about women having it easy. Most men, boys, whatever, do not have the guts to admit that a woman definitely has the rock and hard place spot. I don't necessarily feel that men are closed minded though. A lot of the time, women are satisfied with men having the lead in many things. If a woman has a problem with it, say something. Fight. So I don't like to bag against the men for being dominant....
In response to juleigh.
Honestly, I don't believe that either men or women have it harder. Both men and women have unique difficulties. Now it is so unfortunate that the bias towards women was so great, but there are/have been many other racial biases that had a huge impact. So, in my opinion, the debate should not be over who has had it harder or whatnot, but it should be a conversation of praise that we have overcome most of them. Yet, it is still healthy to discuss our past, so we don't repeat it.
I agree with Laura when she says men and woman will never be equal. There are always people that will disagree with others and beleive that there sex or race is better. I mean that sexual prejudice is reducing which is a great thing but I don't believe it shall ever go away. Especially in other countries like Sam says where they aren't as fortunate as us. Do not get me wrong though, it would be amazing if there was not sexual bias or racism. And I still strongly think that we should continue thriving for a world free from sexual prejudice.
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